NorthWest Arkansas Cachers

by **Gruizzer** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:14 pm

I hope I dont make anyone mad by pointing this out, but I see a relatively new cache was place in Bentonville on what sounds like a school's property. (GC165Y9) And so I google earth it, and it indeed looks like it is.

I thought one of the rules for placing a cache is it can not go on or near a school? The rule Im referring to is pasted below.

And my other question is why Chuck Walla allowed it?

Caches may be quickly archived if we see the following (which is not inclusive):

* Caches on land managed by an agency that prohibits geocaches, such as the U.S. National Park Service or U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (National Wildlife Refuges)
* Caches that are buried. If a shovel, trowel or other “pointy” object is used to dig, whether in order to hide or to find the cache, then it is not appropriate.
* Caches that deface public or private property, whether a natural or man-made object, in order to provide a hiding place, a clue or a logging method.
* Caches placed in areas which are highly sensitive to the extra traffic that would be caused by vehicles and humans (examples may include archaeological or historic sites).
* Caches hidden in close proximity to active railroad tracks. In general we use a distance of 150 ft (46 m) but your local area’s trespassing laws may be different. All local laws apply.
* Caches near or on military installations.
* Caches near, on or under public structures deemed potential or possible targets for terrorist attacks. These may include but are not limited to highway bridges, dams, government buildings, elementary and secondary schools, and airports.

by **OEnavigators** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:46 pm

So..mad..at ..Gruizzer. ( he gets 100 Karma, TnT's pet):D Kidding!

Assuming of course that the cacher in question obtained permission which they would have had to. It looks to me that the cache is in the rear and therefore not too much of a disturbance being the type of hide it is. There are extenuating circumstances that the reviewer will take into consideration.

I have a cache that is fairly close to RR tracks but I explained the situation and she allowed it. So this is most likely one of those situations. This is why it's always helpful to provide the reviewer with as much info as possible.

by ***TnT*** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:16 pm

As you'll find as you continue caching, groundspeak has no "rules", only guidelines. Therefore, everything is "waiver-able". As OEnavigator says, if the situation is explained, the reviewer is more apt to waiver the guidelines. That being said, I asked the owner of the cache in question about this, but have yet to hear from him.

The other side of this is that the cache is actually on the boundary of school property and you don't have to cross the school yard to get to it.

Another example of "waive-able" is red ink's latest. He was quite upset when it was originally denied because the first stage was 40 feet within the 528 guideline. I gave him some suggestions to use in his appeal and (don't know if he used them or not) he was able to get it approved.

by **kegrif** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:26 pm

The cache in question (GC165Y9) was placed in the rear of the school near the daycare center. It was explained to Chuck Walla that you did not have to enter the school grounds to get to it and that it was near a road that is used even during school hours. He actually corrected something about the listing, pointed it out to my son and me, and posted the cache.

If everyone is offended by the position, we will move it as to not start a controversy.

I will even post a poll to let everyone vote anonymously.

Vote here - http://nwac.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=124

by ***TnT*** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:31 pm

I don't think that's necessary. We were just a little concerned about the reviewer not knowing the proximity to the school. Let it stay.

By the way, I believe Chuch Walla is actually a "Charlene" and not a "Charles"

And, she's really quite on top of things.

by **kegrif** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:38 pm

By the way...

GCT3NX

The above cache is on school grounds as well. Did it face the same concerns when it was posted?

by **Gruizzer** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:40 pm

Yeah no need to take a vote. I wasnt wanting to offend anyone. I just have wanted to put caches near schools and never have because of the "guideline". So, I was curious how this one got to be so close to one, thats all. If Chuck Walla is good Im good!

Btw, Ive been down that road a long time ago thinking it was the way to the cache that is in the park nearby. lol

kegrif, are you also csi miami00? You sound like you placed the cache.

by **kegrif** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:42 pm

csi miami00 is my 11-year-old son. He and I placed it together.

by **Gruizzer** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:42 pm

ok, now Im really confused I just noticed your sig says unwire?

Are kegrif, unwire, & csi miami00 all the same person?

by **Gruizzer** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:42 pm

ah, cool

by **kegrif** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:43 pm

kegrif and unwire are the same person; me.

by **Gruizzer** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:45 pm

kegrif wrote:By the way...

GCT3NX

The above cache is on school grounds as well. Did it face the same concerns when it was posted?

Ive done Stumped, and if I remember its in the woods. Are the woods part of the school next door?

by **Gratefulldad** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:50 am

I don't remember seeing a school when I did stumped.

I think the cache in question can stay. The concern is the safety of the kids. During school hours the kids are monitered while outside. Most caches are hunted in the evening or on weekends while no kids are around. We found it on a weekend however we went through the school parkinglot. We didn't know about the gravel drive that you can access the cache from. Maybe just put a note to use the gravel drive.

by **red ink** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:07 am

The objections I used to get my cache(GC16CRG) published that was to close to GCK0W1 WAS:
1 Poor coords
2 Was in a commercial building
3 Business was open on a part time basis
4 Cache was palced by someone out of state(California)
5 The people that placed cache ,have not been active since Sept 2004
according to their profile. Chuck agreed and I got the waiver.

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